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The 29th of March 1659
The Lord Protector … The 29th of March 1659
The Lord Protector against a certaine}<br />
shipp named the ''Hope'', Don Juan lopez}<br />
Comander and her goods and against Page and others}
Examined upon the allegation given in on the<br />
behalfe of the said Lord Protector the 24th<br />
instant.
'''Row dt.'''
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'''Simon Tomson Bleau''' of Amsterdam Sailor, aged seaventeene<br />
yeares or thereabouts sworne and examined.
To the first article hee saith that all the Indico, Sassaperilla and other the<br />
goods and merchandizes that were taken and stayed in the said shipp the ''Hope''<br />
were and are of the growth, product and manufacture of the West India's<br />
and were all taken in and laded aboard her in or at Truxilla and honduras<br />
places in the West Indies under the dominion of and obedience to the king of<br />
Spaine, and were all bought and provided and caused to be laden<br />
by the said John Lopes, which hee knoweth because hee was one of the said shipps<br />
company and aboard her and saw such lading of them at the said p[?a]rts.
To the second hee saith that hee hath heard both the said John Lopez himselfe [?and GUTTER]<br />
other the Spaniards that were in the said shipp say and affirme that hee the<br />
said John Lopez was a Spanaird and subiect of the king of Spaine, borne at<br />
Mont[?ania] in the said kingdome of Spaine, and for such hee was and is<br />
commonly accounted and reputed, yeelding a reason of his knowledge as<br />
aforesaid.
To the third hee saith that there were in and belonged to the said shipp [?when] shee<br />
came to and was staid at Milford haven, twenty men of her company, besides<br />
the said John lopez which John with other of the said company were and<br />
are Spaniards, subiects of the king of Spaine and for such commonly<br />
accompted. And saith that when the said shipp was soe at the west Indies<br />
both her company and others ashore often said in this deponents hearing that shee<br />
belonged to Spaniards, and at Trinidad shee was entred and dispatched (as<br />
her company often said in this deponents hearing) as and for a Spanish shipp or<br />
belonging to Spaniards, and the Spaniards aforesaid that were in her went<br />
and tooke their oathes there (as they themselves repeated<br />
afterwards) that shee was a Spanish shipp, and belonged to Spaniards, and<br />
that they were subiects of the king of Spaine, and that for money and goods, given<br />
the Governour of Trinidad they had a passe for her as a shipp that<br />
belonged to Spaniards and being in Spaniards service. And further saving<br />
his former deposition hee cannot depose.
To the fourth hee saith that noe English, hollanders or persons of any other<br />
places or nations not subiect to the king of Spaine are permitted to trade<br />
or traffique in the Spanish West Indies, and that it is the frequent and constant<br />
practice of the Spaniards there to seize and make prize of all shipps and goods<br />
there of all persons that are not subiects of the said king, which hee saith [XXX GUTTER]<br />
and is true and publique, and well knowne to this deponent who was about<br />
five yeares together in the said Spanish West Indies next before hee came<br />
this voyage, Nay soe strict are they in prohiniting any there to trade that<br />
are not Spaniards, that they will not permit Biskaners, albeit they are<br />
the said kings subiects, there to trtade unlesse they have a passe from Spa[?ine GUTTER]
To the fifth hee saith hee was not present at the hiring or shipping of the<br />
Spaniards, nor knoweth on what termes they were shipped whether for wages or [?not GUTTER]<br />
and hee beleeveth there is no freight paid or received for the said shipps [XXXXXXX GUTTER]<br />
because her voyage was not ended when shee was staid at Millford, and saith<br />
the said Captaine don Juan lopez and the Spaniards have from time to time on<br />
the said voyage used and ordered the said lading as if it were their owne goods, and<br />
have from time to time affirmed it to be theirs, And otherwise referring<br />
himselfe to the writings aboard, hee cannot depose, not knowing to write or<br />
reade as hee saith.
Toite or<br />
reade as hee saith.
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