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|Folio=185
 
|Folio=185
 
|Side=Recto
 
|Side=Recto
|Status=XXXX; pasted into wikispot on 27/04/14 by Colin Greenstreet
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|Status=First cut transcription completed on 13/04/13 by Jill Wilcox; pasted into wikispot on 27/04/14 by Colin Greenstreet
  
|First transcriber=Jill Wilcox 13/4/2013
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|First transcriber=Jill Wilcox 13/04/13
  
 
|Editorial history=Created 05/04/14, by CSG
 
|Editorial history=Created 05/04/14, by CSG
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|Transcription image=1160864
 
|Transcription image=1160864
  
|Transcription=knoweth, both for that the like termes and allowances of such average have at is
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|Transcription=knoweth, both for that the like termes and allowances of such average have at
Lisbone aforesaid by severall merchants been presented and proffered to this deponents
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Lisbone aforesaid by severall merchants been presented and proffered to this deponent
in case hee would undertake such a voyage, and for that this deponents by longe
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in case hee would undertake such a Voyage, and for that this deponent by longe
acquaintance and familiar conservation with merchants and masters of shipps
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acquaintance and familiar conservation with Merchants and Masters of shipps
 
both English and Genoese hath constantly been credibly informed and assured of
 
both English and Genoese hath constantly been credibly informed and assured of
the trueth of the Customes and practice predeposed. And further cannot depose
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the trueth of the Custome and practice predeposed. And further cannot depose
  
To the third Article hee saith that hee this deponents doeth not knowe nor ever heard
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To the third Article hee saith that hee this deponent doeth not knowe nor ever heard
of any other allowances whatsoever ˹from the freightor˺ to English masters and Marinbers useing the
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of any other allowance whatsoever from the freightor to English Masters and Mariners useing the
 
navigation aforesaid. save onely the allowance or average predeposed, and the
 
navigation aforesaid. save onely the allowance or average predeposed, and the
 
priviledge or benefitt of the Cabbin allowed the Captaine for the transporting of
 
priviledge or benefitt of the Cabbin allowed the Captaine for the transporting of
passengers And other wise cannot depose.
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passengers And otherwise cannot depose:-/:-
  
 
To the 4th Article of the said Allegation hee saith that in the moneth of November
 
To the 4th Article of the said Allegation hee saith that in the moneth of November
1655 last past, the shipp the Hannibal of London whereof this deponent was
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<u>1655</u> last past, the shipp the ''hannibal'' of London whereof this deponent was
 
and is Commander in chiefe being at Portsmouth then upon her discharge from
 
and is Commander in chiefe being at Portsmouth then upon her discharge from
the immediate service of the commonwealth wherein shee had bin employed under
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the immediate service of the Commonwealth wherein shee had bin employed under
 
the conduct of this deponent and this deponent then being at London in Company and
 
the conduct of this deponent and this deponent then being at London in Company and
discourse at a sett meeting with the Owner of the said shipp and haveing a License
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discourse at a sett meeting with the Owner&#91;?s&#93; of the said shipp and haveing a License
from the king of portugall to goe with his said shipp to the Brazeele, this
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from the king of Portugall to goe with his said shipp to the Brazeele, this
deponent amoungst other things propounded to his said Owners a voiage with the said
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deponent amongst other things propounded to his said Owner&#91;?s&#93; a voiage with the said
 
shipp to the said parts of Brazeele, if such an opportunity word offered, when
 
shipp to the said parts of Brazeele, if such an opportunity word offered, when
hee should come to Lisborne, whereupon the said Owners demanded of this examinate
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hee should come to Lisborne, whereupon the said Owner&#91;?s&#93; demanded of this examinate
what he would expect as to the average usually and constantly allowed to
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what hee would expect as to the average usually and constantly allowed to
Commander upon such a voiage, to which this deponent replyed, that what was
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Commanders upon such a voiage, to which this deponent replyed, that what was
 
Customary upon designes of that nature, hee should and would expect to the full,
 
Customary upon designes of that nature, hee should and would expect to the full,
 
and that if any difference should happen about the said allowance or average
 
and that if any difference should happen about the said allowance or average
 
hee would (God granting him a happy voiage and returne) referr the same to
 
hee would (God granting him a happy voiage and returne) referr the same to
Justice, or to indifferent men to be determined , and the said Owners thereupon
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Justice, or to indifferent men to be determined , and the said Owner thereupon
prepounding to this deponent to allow him a 4th part of such average and this examinate
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propounding to this deponent to allow him a 4th part of such average and this examinate
 
refusing to goe upon such termes, the designe was broken off and the said shipp
 
refusing to goe upon such termes, the designe was broken off and the said shipp
 
commanded for London. And further cannot depose./
 
commanded for London. And further cannot depose./
  
 
To the 5th Article hee saith that hee this deponent well knoweth, that the
 
To the 5th Article hee saith that hee this deponent well knoweth, that the
arlate Captaine Edward Wye Master of the shipp the Saphire arlate
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arlate Captaine Edward Wye Master of the shipp the ''Saphire'' arlate
Captaine Peter Tatam master of the shipp the Hannibal arlate Captaine
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Captaine Peter Tatam master of the shipp the ''hannibal'' arlate Captaine
William Cill Master of the shipp the Prosperous arlate, Captaine Thomas
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William Ell Master of the shipp the ''Prosperous'' arlate, Captaine Thomas
Bll Master of the May fflower arlate and Captaine John Wills
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Bell Master of the ''May fflower'' arlate and Captaine John Wills
Commander of the successe arlate were all of them designed upon the said
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Commander of the ''Successe'' arlate were all of them designed upon the said
 
voyage to Brazeele, but what agreement they respectively made for their
 
voyage to Brazeele, but what agreement they respectively made for their
 
respective voyages thither hee saith hee knoweth not, nor can depose, otherwise
 
respective voyages thither hee saith hee knoweth not, nor can depose, otherwise
 
then that this deponent hath heard the said Captaine Tatam, Captaine Bell and
 
then that this deponent hath heard the said Captaine Tatam, Captaine Bell and
Captaine Wye say and affirme aboard this deponents shipp the Americe
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Captaine Wye say and affirme aboard this deponents shipp the ''America''
 
in Cascales bay in Portugall, that they were to have the full average
 
in Cascales bay in Portugall, that they were to have the full average
 
allowance and privilidge belonging and due to commanders of shipps goeing
 
allowance and privilidge belonging and due to commanders of shipps goeing
for the Brazeele. And further cannot depose: Saving his foregoeing deposition
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for the Brazeele. And further cannot depose; saving his foregoeing deposition
 
To which hee referreth./
 
To which hee referreth./
  
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shipps hee knoweth), that in all ordinary Charterparties for other voyages
 
shipps hee knoweth), that in all ordinary Charterparties for other voyages
 
and not for the Brazeele, it is usuall therein to expresse the freight in particular
 
and not for the Brazeele, it is usuall therein to expresse the freight in particular
either by the tunn, or by the moneth or by the voiage, and that usually
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either by the tunn, or by the moneth or by the Voiage, and that usually
primiage and average, and sometimes peciled manage accustomed have from time to time constantly
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primage and average, and sometimes &#91;?petilad&#93; moneye are expressed in such
belonged XX and been received by the Masters and Companies of shipps and been
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Charterparties over and besides the said freight, which said Average,
divided and distributed amongst them, the freight aforesaid onely belonging
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belonged and been received by the Masters and Companies of shipps, and were
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divided and Distributed amongst them, the freight aforesaid onely belonging
 
to such shipps Owners And saith, that in the Brazeele Charterparties it is usuall
 
to such shipps Owners And saith, that in the Brazeele Charterparties it is usuall
  

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knoweth, both for that the like termes and allowances of such average have at
Lisbone aforesaid by severall merchants been presented and proffered to this deponent
in case hee would undertake such a Voyage, and for that this deponent by longe
acquaintance and familiar conservation with Merchants and Masters of shipps
both English and Genoese hath constantly been credibly informed and assured of
the trueth of the Custome and practice predeposed. And further cannot depose

To the third Article hee saith that hee this deponent doeth not knowe nor ever heard
of any other allowance whatsoever from the freightor to English Masters and Mariners useing the
navigation aforesaid. save onely the allowance or average predeposed, and the
priviledge or benefitt of the Cabbin allowed the Captaine for the transporting of
passengers And otherwise cannot depose:-/:-

To the 4th Article of the said Allegation hee saith that in the moneth of November
1655 last past, the shipp the hannibal of London whereof this deponent was
and is Commander in chiefe being at Portsmouth then upon her discharge from
the immediate service of the Commonwealth wherein shee had bin employed under
the conduct of this deponent and this deponent then being at London in Company and
discourse at a sett meeting with the Owner[?s] of the said shipp and haveing a License
from the king of Portugall to goe with his said shipp to the Brazeele, this
deponent amongst other things propounded to his said Owner[?s] a voiage with the said
shipp to the said parts of Brazeele, if such an opportunity word offered, when
hee should come to Lisborne, whereupon the said Owner[?s] demanded of this examinate
what hee would expect as to the average usually and constantly allowed to
Commanders upon such a voiage, to which this deponent replyed, that what was
Customary upon designes of that nature, hee should and would expect to the full,
and that if any difference should happen about the said allowance or average
hee would (God granting him a happy voiage and returne) referr the same to
Justice, or to indifferent men to be determined , and the said Owner thereupon
propounding to this deponent to allow him a 4th part of such average and this examinate
refusing to goe upon such termes, the designe was broken off and the said shipp
commanded for London. And further cannot depose./

To the 5th Article hee saith that hee this deponent well knoweth, that the
arlate Captaine Edward Wye Master of the shipp the Saphire arlate
Captaine Peter Tatam master of the shipp the hannibal arlate Captaine
William Ell Master of the shipp the Prosperous arlate, Captaine Thomas
Bell Master of the May fflower arlate and Captaine John Wills
Commander of the Successe arlate were all of them designed upon the said
voyage to Brazeele, but what agreement they respectively made for their
respective voyages thither hee saith hee knoweth not, nor can depose, otherwise
then that this deponent hath heard the said Captaine Tatam, Captaine Bell and
Captaine Wye say and affirme aboard this deponents shipp the America
in Cascales bay in Portugall, that they were to have the full average
allowance and privilidge belonging and due to commanders of shipps goeing
for the Brazeele. And further cannot depose; saving his foregoeing deposition
To which hee referreth./

To the 6th Article hee saith, that by reason of his long continued experience in
matters of Contracts and Charteparties between Merchants and Masters of
shipps hee knoweth), that in all ordinary Charterparties for other voyages
and not for the Brazeele, it is usuall therein to expresse the freight in particular
either by the tunn, or by the moneth or by the Voiage, and that usually
primage and average, and sometimes [?petilad] moneye are expressed in such
Charterparties over and besides the said freight, which said Average,
belonged and been received by the Masters and Companies of shipps, and were
divided and Distributed amongst them, the freight aforesaid onely belonging
to such shipps Owners And saith, that in the Brazeele Charterparties it is usuall

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