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| − | P1090806
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| − | Unfoliated (artificial f. 1r.)
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| − | The Lord Protector of the commonwealth
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| − | of England Scotland and Ireland
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| − | and the dominions thereto belonging
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| − | against the shipp ''S:t ffrancis''
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| − | Joachim Starbus XXX.
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| − | Rowe d:t
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| − | The 7:th of Aprill 1654
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| − | JOACHIM STARBUS of Hambourgh
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| − | Mariner, master of the said shipp
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| − | aged 49 yeares of thereabouts XXXX
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| − | in XXXXX, saith and deposeth as
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| − | followeth, viz:t
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| − | To the first abd second Interroies hee saith and deposeth that the said
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| − | shipp the ''S:t ffrancis'' belongeth to the port of Hamburgh, and that
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| − | her owners were and are only two oersons who hee saith were and are are hamburghersm Merchantsm Inhabitants
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| − | & Burghers of that citie and subiects of the free state of Hamburgh
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| − | and were and are all natives of Hamburgh and have dwelt there all
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| − | theire time, and for their names hee saith they were and are Detleff
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| − | fflaXhoff and ?Henre Samall, and that noe other persons or person
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| − | XX farr as hee knoweth or beleeveth had or hath any peice or share
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| − | therein, but whether they the said two owners have parte distinct or
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| − | are ioynt owners without distinction of parte hee knoweth not, and saith
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| − | the said owners bought the said shipp (as this deponent hath bin
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| − | informed) at Dunquirke about two yeares since, but this deponent
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| − | was not present nor knoweth ought of the payment therefore;
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| − | but knoweth their said owner shipp; being constituted nor by them
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| − | and XX them fitt and furnish the said shipp out in theire ?costs and
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| − | chardges. And otherwise cannot depose, saving the said vessell
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| − | by the XXXX soe XXX to him to be English built, and as hee hath
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| − | heard was built at Yarmouth
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| − | To the thirde hee saith that for theise seaven monethes last,
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| − | namely from a month before Michaelmas last or there hee
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| − | this deponent hath bin master of the said shipp the S:t ffrancis and
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| − | come first aboard her then at Hamburgh as master thereof, and that
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| − | a dunquirke as this deponent was told XX bin master of her next before this deponent, who having bin plundred
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| − | in the Elbe; had lost the said shipp at Hamburgh 3 or 4 monethes befoer
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| − | this deponent became master of her. And otherwise saving this
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| − | foregoing depon hee cannot depose.
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| − | To the fourth and saith the said shipp did never before as hee
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| − | knoweth and he XXX beleveth ?belong to Amsterdam or other port
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| − | without the Dominion of the States of the United Netherlands, and
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| − | XXX that XXX beXXX are outwards voiage from Hamborough
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| − | about a fortnights before Michaelmas last, at w:ch time XXX
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| − | came there in a fleete of other shipps under English XXXX XXXX
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| − | for this port abd laden with XXXX and came and arrived here and delivered her said
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| − | outward lading to and to the XXX of M:r Alderman ffrederick and companie, upon
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| − | whose accompt there was freighted at Hamburgh by M:r John `Barcke
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| − | an Englishman their factor theire. And after such deliverie, XXX
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| − | was freighted and againe laden there with lead and sugar by M:r Richard
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| − | fford merchant of this citie and companie for HaXXXX ?Grace, XXXX
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| − | this deponent XXX with the said shipp and delivered the said lead and
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| − | sugar
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| − | P1090807
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| − | Unfoliated (artificial f. 1v.)
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| − | '''Transcription'''
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| − | sugar for their accompt according to consignement to his factor there,
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| − | and saith that the said affraightment of the said M:r fford this deponent
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| − | having delivered the said XXXX and sugars at XXXX da XXXXX
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| − | bring a cargo of goods to this port for accompt of him or of him
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| − | and companie, w:ch this deponent accordingly did, and at S:t Maloe
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| − | received the said shipps lading in bales of linnen for the said accompt
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| − | referring himselfe to this Roll or manifest of this his lading
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| − | XXized by Captaine XXXX and to the bills of lading XXXX by him
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| − | for the particlaritie of cargo of goods; and that the said cargo was aboard
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| − | XX the time of the said seizure by Captaine XXXX, and noe silver,
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| − | Jewells, armes or ammunition were in the said shipp; and
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| − | saith that the said cargo of linnens were laden by mons:r Le Mot
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| − | Arman, and consigned to this port to the said M:r fford, XXX
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| − | otherwise hee cannot depose, showuîng as aforesaid and what followeth
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| − | To the XXth hee saith hee signed only true (OR, three) bills of lading for
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| − | the said cardo of linnens, w:ch were all of one tenor, and were
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| − | and are all true and reall, and that the goods were really consigned
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| − | to the port menconned in the said bills, namely this port of London,
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| − | and were and are truely and really (ashee verily beleeveth) belonging to the person
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| − | or persons to whom they are consigned or for XXXX accompt they are
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| − | in the said bills mentioned to be laden, namely to the said M:r fford or to
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| − | him and companie, and the said Monsi:r Le Mot Arman alsoe told
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| − | and acquainted this deponent that the said goods were for the said acco:t
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| − | And otherwise hee cannot depose, XXXX as aforesaid
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| − | Tp the XXXX hee saith his company as XXXX of the said seizure
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| − | XXXX of 6 man and a boy, two of the XXX and the said boy
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| − | all which are Hamborgers, two Fdanes, one ffrenchman, the steersman
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| − | a MiddleXXXX, but XXX this deponent here at London, and this
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| − | is one of the said Hamburgers, having lived there and bin a ?burger there
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| − | 26 yeares and bin a married man and XXXXX there XXXX,
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| − | XXXX borne in Pomerland, and otherwise negatively.
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| − | To the 8:th XXX XXX hee was borne under the dominion of the
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| − | Duke of Pomerland, but nevertheless XXX XXXX is under the XXXX
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| − | and XXXX the rest XXXX hath notified the the XXXX before
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| − | To the 9:th negatively.
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| − | To the 10:th hee saith hee XXX signed a bill of lading for the said
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| − | good for Amsterdam, w:ch was donne nearly for a colour and to
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| − | XXXX the said goods from seizure by the Hollanders in XXX hee
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| − | could be XXX by them, and for the XXX XXX sea XX hee
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| − | XXXX the bills predeposed XXXX for
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| − | London, alonge in the said shippe, XXX XXXX and
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| − | colourable bill for Amsterdam, w:ch came to the hands of the
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| − | sd XXXX, and lest the said true bill XXXX Maloes with
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| − | their said factor
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| − | To the 11:th negatively
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| − | To the 12:th hee saith hee was to receive the the freight for the said
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| − | goods of the said M:r fford XXX XXX delivered, XXXX the said
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| − | XXXX
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| − | P1090808
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| − | Unfoliated
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| − | XXXX
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| − | On the behalfe of John Cole of London
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| − | Merchant touching the double
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| − | shallop the ''ffrancis'' Late of deep
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| − | but nowe of London
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| − | The 10:th of Aprill 1654
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| − | JOHN COLE of London Merchant
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| − | aged thirtie two yeares of thereabouts
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| − | sworne before the right wor:ll
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| − | William Clarke and John Godolphin
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| − | doctors of lawes Judges of the cort of the
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| − | Admiraltie of England, saith and deposeth
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| − | That the double shallup or frigat named the ffrancis late of
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| − | Deepe and nowe of this port of London of the burthen of thirteene
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| − | tonnes or thereabouts where of David Barre was and is master
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| − | was really and bona fide bought by John Samborne merchant
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| − | (having procucacon from this deponent to that purpose) of the
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| − | master David Barre at Caen in Normandie on or about the
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| − | thirtieth day of March last past (newe stile) for the price and
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| − | summe of twelve hundred and twenty livred Tournois upon and for
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| − | the sole and proper accompt of hee this deponent
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| − | really and truely paid for the same with his effects
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| − | remayning in the said Sambornes hands
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| − | unto the said John Samborne upon accompt: and with the
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| − | truth and ?reallitie of the said buying of the said shipp may and doth
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| − | appeare in an Instrument or act Notarial thereupon made and ?passed
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| − | at XXXX the said tjirtieth of may 1654. before XXXX Le ?Suour
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| − | and John Crestien Tabellious Royall there residing, w:ch
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| − | Instrument hee noe produceth and ?sheweth and with that the
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| − | contentes thereof were and are true w:ch hee knoweth for the XXXX XXX. And further that hee this deponent
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| − | was and is an Englishman and nowe XXX XXX Resident in this citie of London
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| − | and that hee this vessell is were an french vessell and belonging
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| − | to this his XXXX, and that hee thsi deponent the XXXX owner
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| − | thereof and of her tackle and furniture
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| − | JOHN COLE [His signature]
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| − | P1090809
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| − | Against the ''S:t ffrancis'' aforesaid
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| − | Rowe d:t
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| − | The 10:th of Aprill 1653 (sic)
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| − | 2. ABRAHAM PETERSON of fflushing Mariner
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| − | Stiersman of the said shipp
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| − | the ''S:t ffrancis'', aged 26 yeares or thereabouts
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| − | sworne as aforesaid saith as followeth.
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| − | To the first and second Interries hee cannot depose, saying hee doth
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| − | not knowe the owners of the said shipp, nor where they live, nor
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| − | where shee was built.
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| − | To the third hee saith that the name of the master of the said shipp
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| − | is Johnis Starbus, and otherwise hee cannot depose;
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| − | hee this deponent never knew the said shipp before hee comming to
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| − | London, where this deponent was shipt in her about November
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| − | last being hired by the said skipper for ffrance and XXback for London
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| − | To the fowrth and fifth hee saith the said shipp came last before her seizure
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| − | from S:t Maloe bound for this port, w:ch hee jnoweth being then
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| − | Stiersman of her. and saith that from hence XXX went frewighted
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| − | by M:r fford, a marchant of this citie for XXXer le ?Gurare, laden
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| − | with lead and sugar, and XXX XXXX, whch XXXX
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| − | delivered upon and for accompt of the said M:r fford (or of him and
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| − | XXXXXX) to one M:r Britton his factor there, and that the said
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| − | shipp XXXX upon the said affreightmanbt and XXXX from Dover da ?B:areane to S:t Maloe, in ballast and there received a cargo of linnen and XXXXcloth and
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| − | old ?chintz and XXXXX and other linnen commodities to be brought
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| − | to this port and ?there to be delivered for accompt aforesaid
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| − | of the said M:r fford or of him and companie, XXXX hee was informed both
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| − | by the said skipper and alsoe by the said M:r fford before the said
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| − | seizure preceeading from hence that the said shipp was to fetch the
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| − | said ?serge from S:t Maloe for the ssaid accompt. And saith the
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| − | said cargo of linnen wares was laden at S:t Maloe by one mons:r
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| − | le ?niot ?Harman, and XXX XXXX to the said M:r fford or to him and
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| − | company, serving him use to the bills of lading, and wich hee
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| − | heard thX said M:r le mot say that for said XXX were for the said accompt
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| − | XXX hee said at the time of the XXXX the bills of lading for
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| − | the XXXX by the skipper, whereon this deponent was prsent, and
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| − | further he cannot depose.
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| − | To the 6_th are saith the said master XXXXX thX bills of lading for
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| − | the goods aboard, all of and XXX, and all for this part for XXXX to be delivered
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| − | P1090810
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| − | Artificail f. 3r.
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| − | XXXX
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| − | ***
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| − | The Lord Protector x:r against the
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| − | XXX XXXX for XXX
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| − | RoXXXX:t
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| − | The 11:th of Aprill 1654.
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| − | J. JOLIAS HARRISON of ?Dunwick in Suffolk
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| − | apprentice to Samuel ?Driver of the
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| − | XXXX, aged 12 yeares or thereabouts
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| − | sworne and examined.
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| − | To the first and second Interrogatories hee saith that the fishing boate
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| − | or barque aclate the ''SuXXX'' coming about five dayes since
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| − | fromwalserXXXX for this port of London laden with butter and
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| − | XXXX to be there delivered was neere the Spistes met with a
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| − | and taken by a duty shallop a man of warre subiect to the
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| − | States
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| − | P1090811
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| − | XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
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| − | ****
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| − | On the behalfe of Hugh Riley and)
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| − | comp: touching the ''ffortune''
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| − | XXXXX
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| − | The 11:th of May 1654
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| − | ALEXANDER COVELL of Portsmouth Barber, aged 25 yeares
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| − | or thereabouts sworne in Court the say above XXX before the
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| − | right hono:ll William Clarke and John Godolphon doctors of
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| − | lawes Judges of the high court of the Admiralty saith and
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| − | deposeth by reason of his oath
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| − | Tha the shipp the ''ffortune'' of CaXXXX was mett with and seized at
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| − | sea to the Northward about XXXXX last by
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| − | Captaine John Dudley commander of the ''Mary'', w:ch hee knoweth
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| − | being one of his companie and present and XXXX the XXXX seizureof ''ffortune'', w:ch was laden with malt and barley, and XXXX by the
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| − | XXXX XXXXX and company brought XX into the river of XXXX
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| − | The marke of Alexander Coverll [His mark]
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| − | ****
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| − | The Clayme of Mannuel Leis Carnero
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| − | for his goods in the shipps the ?''Tagus
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| − | Kings'' and ''John de Grace''
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| − | XXXX
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| − | The eighteeneth day of May. 1654
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| − | Examined upon y:e sayd allcn.
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| − | JUAN THOMAS MILATI of Cadiz in Spayn
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| − | merchant aged 23 yeares or thereabouts a
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| − | witness sworne and examined deposeth and saith
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| − | as followeth viz:t
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| − | To y:e first and secon arles of y:e said allon and two schedules XXX
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| − | menconed and here to annexed This deponent saith That coming
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| − | in August 1653 last past as a passenger from Cadiz in Spaine to S:T
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| − | Malloe ffrance in a certaine shipp named y:e ''S:t Vincent''XXX
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| − | well
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| − | P1090812
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| − | Unfoliated
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| − | X r.
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| − | well remembreth that some dayes before the says shipps depture
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| − | from Cadiz he saw one Raphael d Luna who was the servant of the
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| − | acclate Manual Lowij Carnero carry on board y:e sayd shipp a good pcell
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| − | of Indian hides, which hee sayd were his masters, and he consigned
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| − | the same to William Claviel att S:t Mallo who does busines as a facto:r for y:e sayd Carnero: And these hides of this deponents knowledge
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| − | who went a passenger in y:e ''S:t Vincent'' came safe to y:e sayd
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| − | Claviels hands, and XX as this deponent is well assured did here
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| − | XXX y:e same and convert the proceead thereof in to Linnen Cloath
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| − | for accompt of y:e sayd Carnero: for hee saith that in the moneth
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| − | of September 1653 last past hee saw the sayd Claviel goe
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| − | on board y:e aclate shipp y:e ''Three Kings'' then lyeing att S:t mallo
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| − | where y:e said ''John de Grace'' did then likewise remaine and saw him
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| − | ?carry with him three bales of linnen marked as farr as
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| − | this deponent can now remember with an R. or some such like
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| − | marke, which three bales the sayd Claviel told this deponent then
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| − | standing upon y:e Strand and having goods to lade on board y:e
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| − | same shipp for cadiz that he did lade for accompt of the
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| − | say:d Manuel Levij do Carndro by way of returne of his hides and did
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| − | consogne them to y:e saiyd XXXX de Luna whom this deponent well knew to be the servant of y:e sayd Carnero, for which reasons
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| − | this deponent is as he saith well assured that y:e sayd Carnero att
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| − | the tyme of lading y:e sayd bales was and att p:rsent is the true
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| − | and lawfull owner of the same
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| − | XXXX
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| − | P1090813
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| − | Unfoliated
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| − | X v.
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| − | XXXX
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| − | P1090814
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| − | Unfoliated
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| − | X r.
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| − | The 29 day of May 1654
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| − | The clayme of Daniell Skinner the Elder)
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| − | Daniell Skinner the Younger & Thomas Skinner)
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| − | English Marchants of Dover<ref>Daniel Skinner the Elder, Daniell Skinner the Younger, and Thomas Skinner, all merchants of Dover. The only male PRC will in the name of Skinner "of Dover'' is that of Abraham Skynner (alias Skinner) (b. ?. d. ca. 1662), merchant, of Dover (PROB 11/307 Laud 1-52 Will of Abraham Skynner or Skinner, Merchant of Dover, Kent 26 March 1662</ref> for the shipp)
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| − | the ''Younge Gyant'' of Dover (Robert Hopkins M:r)
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| − | & her tackle & furniture & for her ladeing of)
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| − | the sayde shipp being XXXX Taken by)
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| − | some of the shipps of the State & Commonwealth )
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| − | of England XXXX ffrancklin)
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| − | S:p
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| − | Examined on an allegaccon on the behalfe
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| − | of the sayd Daniell Skinner the Elder
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| − | Daniell Skinner the younger and Thomas
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| − | Skinner
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| − | 1. JOHN ASHURST the younger of the pish of
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| − | S:t Andrew Undershafte London Marchant
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| − | aged 25 yeares of thereabouts a witness
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| − | sworne & examined saith and deposeth
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| − | as followeth viz:t
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| − | To the seaventh article of the sayd allegaccon hee saith and deposeth
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| − | That hee this deponent hath receaved letters of advice from one
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| − | William Wildegoose a factor or Agent for the producente in ffrance bearing date the sixth day of this instant month
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| − | of May (new style) wherein he did advise this deponent that hee had drawne
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| − | upon Albertis Skinner of London Merchant for Accompte of the producente
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| − | Daniell Skinner the Elder Daniell Skinner the younger & Thomas Skinner
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| − | the summe of six thousand five hundred Livres Turnois and was XXX
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| − | the summe of sixe thousand five hundred Livre Turnois more for the
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| − | accompt of the sayd producents upon them selves or such persons
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| − | as they should appointe,
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| − | and hee this deponent verily beleeveth that the says 13 thousand
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| − | Livre was for and towards satisfaction and payment for the 221
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| − | tonnes of wynneaclate and that the sayd producents are to pay and
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| − | satisfie the same And further hee cannot depose
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| − | Upon the rest of the articles hee is not examined by discreccon of
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| − | the producents
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| − | To the Interries
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| − | To the first Interrie hee saith hee this deponent was borne in the
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| − | pish of S:t Margaret Newfish streete London & hath lived ?these 4 yeares
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| − | last or thereabouts in the pish of A:t Andrew Undershafte aforesayd and before
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| − | for the most parte in ffrance during the tyme Interrogate & to the rest of
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| − | the Unterr hee answereth negatively
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| − | To the second Interrogatorie hee saith hee hath not deposed ought touching
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| − | the contents of the matters in this Interr conteyned nor knoweth ought of the
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| − | Contents thereof
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| − | To the 3:d hee cannot depose
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| − | To the 4:th hee cannot depose
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| − | To the 5:th hee answereth that hee knoweth not the Intera ffrncio Claoson nor
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| − | what countryman hee is by birth nor where hee hath lived during the tyme
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| − | Interr.
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| − | To the 6:th Interr hee saith that savong his foregoeing deposiccons to the
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| − | allegaccon whereto hee referreth hee cannot depose.
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| − | To the 7:th Interr hee cannot answere not being in ffrance at the tyme
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| − | Interr nor knowing ought of the things in this Interr menccondd
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| − | To the 8:th 9:th & 10:th Interrieshee knoweth nothing of the contents of them
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| − | To the 11:th Interr hee saith it conceneth him not to answere thereto hee having
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| − | not deposed to the contents of the article Interrogate
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| − | To the 12:th hee saith that hee knoweth not nor beleeveth that the shipp and
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| − | Wynes Interr or any part thereof doe belonge to any ducthman or
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| − | dutchmen subiects of the States Interr or ffrench man or ffrench men
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| − | suniects of the ffrench King , but on the contrary hath heard & verily beleeveth
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| − | that the sayd shipp & wynes doe belonge to the Interr Daniell Skinner the
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| − | elder Daniell Skinner the Younger & Thomas Skinner And further hee
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| − | cannot depose
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| − | To the thirteenth Interr hee saith hee doth not knowe nor hath at any time seene the shipp Interr
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| − | nor knoweth ought of the contents of this Interrie
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| − | To the 14:th Interr hee saith hee hath not deposed to the contents of the article
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| − | mentiondd in this Interrie nor knoweth ought or the contents of this Interr
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| − | To the 15 hee knoweth nothing of the contents of this Interr
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| − | To the 16:th hee saith hee knoweth nothing of the contents of this Interrie
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| − | JOHN ASHURST JUNIOR [His signature]
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| − | R:p 2:US ALBERTIS SKINNERof the pish S:t George
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| − | Buttolphe Lane London Merchant aged 28
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| − | yeares or thereabouts a witness sworne and
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| − | examined saith & deposeth as followeth viz:t
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| − | To the first and second articles of the sayd allegation he this deponent
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| − | saith and deposeth that he was not p:sent when the aclate Thomas Skinner
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| − | did XXX buy by the shipp the ''Younge Gyant'' aclate formerly called the ''Yonge Elephant''
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| − | of the Commissioners of this Commonwealth for prize goods but saith that
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| − | hee hath credibly heard & beleeveth that the sayd Skinner did in or about the
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| − | Moneth of August 1652 aclate really buy off the sayd Commissioners
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| − | the sayd shipp the ''Yonge Gyant'' then called (as this dep:t hath heard & beleeveth
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| − | the ''Yonge Elephant'') togeather with an other shipp called the ?''BXXXX XXXX'' for
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| − | which sayd two shipps hee this deponent shortly after the sayd moneth of August
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| − | did by the order and direction of the sayd Thomas Skinner pay unto the sayd
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| − | Commissioners the summe of five hundred eighty two pounds sterling. And saith
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| − | that the sayd Thomas Skinner within the tyme in the second article mentioned
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| − | and XXX sayd Month of August 1652 did sell (as
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| − | this deponent hath heard unto Daniell Skinner the father of the sayd Thomas
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| − | one third part of the sayd shipp the ''Yonge Gyant'' her tackle & furniture
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| − | and unto Daniell Skinner the Younger brother of the sayd Thomas one
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| − | other third part of the sayd shipp her tackle & furniture. And saith that for
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| − | true & lawfull Owners of the sayd shipp ''Yonge Gyant'' her tackle apparell
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| − | furniture they the sayd Saniell Skinner
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| − | the Elder Daniel Skinner the yonger & Thomas Skinner
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| − | have bin XXX comonly accompted & reputed And further to these articles he
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| − | cannot depose
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| − | To the 3 and 5:th articles of the sayd allegacon hee saith & deposeth that hee
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| − | hath heard that after the sayd shipp was bought as aforesayd by the name
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| − | of the ''Yonge Elephant'', shee was by the aclates Thomas Skinner Daniell
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| − | Skinner the Elder & Yonger called & named by the name of the ''Yonge Gyant''
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| − | and that being soe named they the sayd Skinners did XXXXX XXXX equipp & sett her
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| − | out to sea XXXXXXX on a voyage from Dover to Newcastle (under the Comand of
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| − | the aclate Robert Hopkins as Master of her by their appointment (who XX this deponent knoweth to be an Englishman
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| − | / subiect of the Commonwealth) to lade Coales there for the Accompt
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| − | of the sayd Skinners [INSERT LONG BUT UNREADABLE TWO LINES] and hee this deponent well knoweth that
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| − | one Nicholas PXXXX of Newcastle did by bill of
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| − | Exchange drawe upon this deponent the somme of nynty two pounds sterling
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| − | for XXXXled by him laded on board the sayd shipp & delivered to the sayd Hopkins
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| − | for the use & Accompt of the sayd Skinners which bill this deponent accepted
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| − | of & paid to XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX according to order And further to these articlces hee cannot depose
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| − | To the 5:th 6:th 7:th 8:th and 9:th articles of the sayd allegacon hee saith and
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| − | deposeth that in the moneths of December & January 1653 hee recdd XXXX
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| − | letter of advice from Dover from the sayd Daniell Skinner the elder and
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| − | Daniell Skinner the Yonger therein they advised this deponent that hee had
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| − | XXX the aclate ffrancis Clauson order ar ?Royall to lade for
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| − | shipp ''Yonge Gyant'' with Conicak wynes and that they had reced advice
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| − | from him that hee had accordingly laded the sayd shipp with two hundred twenty one tonnes of Coniack wines
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| − | for the Accompt of them & the sayd Thomas Skinner and that
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| − | they had ordered Robert Hopkins the Master of the sayd shipp to sayle the
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| − | same with the sayd wine from SLXXXant into the Downes
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| − | and they the sayd Daniell Skinner the elder & younger by XXX their letters
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| − | sent to this deponent ordered him this deponent to ensure on their behalfes
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| − | one thousand pounds sterling on the sayd shipp & wines if hee this
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| − | deponent could have the said ensurance after the rate of eight per Cent
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| − | but not to give above where upon this deponent on or about the 12:th day of the moneth of January
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| − | last caused a pollicie of Ensurance to be made according to XXX order
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| − | & had communication with divers assurers in London & offered them 8:li p
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| − | Cent for assurance, but he says sayd assurers would not assure
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| − | the same under Tenn pounds p Cent & this dept having order not to
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| − | exceed eight p Cent nothing was done as touching the sayd assurance
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| − | which otherwise had bin done if they would have accepted of 8:li p Cent
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| − | And further saving his subsequent deposicons
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| − | & saveing that for the reasons aforesaid and XXXXX this dep:t hath bin by letter from Daniell Skinner the Yonger & Daniell Skinner hee beleeveth the sayd Daniell
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| − | Skinner the elder Daniell Skinner the yonger & Thomas Skinner are XXX
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| − | the true & sole Owners of the sayd 221 Tonnesof wines & that
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| − | noe Hollander or ffrench man subiects of the States of the United
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| − | Provinces or ffrench King or any other whatsoever have any part or
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| − | interest in the sayd wines hee cannot depose
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| − | To the 10:th & 11:th articles of the sayd allegation hee saith that the sayd Daniell
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| − | Skinner the yonger hearing that the sayd shipp ''Yonge Gyant'' & the wines oredeposed of were seized by the ''Saphir ffrigatt'' belonging to this
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| − | Commonwealth, in XXXX from ffrance did by his letter from Dover advise this deponent that
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| − | hee had reced from the aclate ffrancio Clauson an Invoice & a bill of
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| − | ladeing for the sayd wines predeposed of (to witt the two schedules aclate)
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| − | and XXX sent the same to this deponent in the sayd letter to exhibite into this Court
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| − | for the better ?clearing the sayd shipp & wines from the sayd seizure And this
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| − | deponent having prused the two schedules aclate to the allegacon annexed verily beleeveth the same
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| − | to be the same invoice & bill of lading soe sent to this deponent by his sayd
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| − | brother, Daniell Skinner the yonger, and that the contents of them are reall & true & not coulourable
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| − | & further hee cannot depose saving hee saith that it appeareth by the
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| − | letter of advice aforesayd that the sayd Invoice & bill of ladeing herein
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| − | mentioned & sent to this deponent were recd by the sayd Daniell Skinner the
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| − | yonger from the sayd ffrancis Clauson before any
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| − | newes came to the sayd Daniell of the seizure of the sayd shipp.
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| − | To the 12:th acle hee saith hee hath heard & beleeveth that the bill of lading
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| − | aclate was only colourable tp p:rserve the sayd shipp & wines from
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| − | condemnation in case they had bin seized by the hollanders or ffrench or any others
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| − | in hostility with this Commonwealth And further hee cannot depose
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| − | To the 13:th article of the sayd allegaccon hee saith that the aclate
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| − | Daniell Skinner the elder is an Englishman borne and
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| − | all the sayd Skinners have lived at Dover for divers yeares éast past
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| − | and are commonly reputed Englishmen & subiects of this common
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| − | wealth of England And further hee cannot depose saving hee saith
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| − | That the sayd Daniell Skinner the yonger & Thomas Skinner were borne at
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| − | Antwerpe in Brabant.
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| − | To the last hee saith his foregoeing dep:on is true.
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| − | To the Interries
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| − | To the first Interr hee saith hee as none of the Company of the shipp ''Yonge
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| − | Gyant'' at the tame Interr nor was hee on board her And saith hee this deponent
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| − | was borne at Antwerpe under the dominion of the Kinge of Spaine and hath lived
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| − | for these 10 yeares last in England & is a ffree man of the Cittie of London where hee
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| − | hath lived for the most pt of the sayd tyme and saith that Daniell Skinner the elder
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| − | is this deponents father & Daniell Skinner the younger & the sayd Thomas Skinner
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| − | this deponents brothers And to the rest of the Interr hee answereth negatively
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| − | XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
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| − | To the 5:th Interr hee saith hee knoweth not the Interr ffrancis Clauson save only by generall fame the same Clauson having bin diverse yeares a factor & correspondent to this deponents father Daniell Skinner the Elder, and saith hee hath heard & beleeveth
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| − | the sayd Clauson liveth at Royall in ffrance & soe hath done divers yeares but
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| − | what countryman by birth or whether hee keepe a family this dep:t knoweth not
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| − | To the 15:th Interr hee saith hee knoweth not how many men
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| − | belonged to the shipp Interr but hath heard that by reason of a presse for
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| − | sea men at Dover for the service of the sate at XX tyme as the shipp Interr
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| − | was sett out to sea by the producents, they the sayd producents did make
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| − | use of divers ffrench mariners to sayle in the sayd shipp the voyage in
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| − | question, and as this deponent hath alsoe heard there was for the better
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| − | preservation of the sayd shipp & wines on board her a colourable
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| − | Master on board the sayd shipp besides the Interrogate Robert Hopkins
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| − | viz:t one Jaques ffountaine a ffrenchman who did as this dep:t hath heard
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| − | as Master whereof signe the colourable bill of ladeig for delivery of
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| − | the wines predeposed of at Dantzicke only for the reason
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| − | before expressed And further hee cannot depose
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| − | ALBERTUS SKINNER<ref>Albertus Skinner, London merchant. Brother of Daniel Skinner the younger and Thomas Skinner, both merchants of Dover, and son of Daniel Skinner the elder, merchant of Dover. All three Skinner brothers, according to the deposition of Albertus Skinner, were born in Antwerp, under the dominion of the King of Spain, though Albertus, deposing in 1654, stated that he had been in England for most of the last ten years. An Albertus Skinner is mentioned in the EEIC court minute book petitioning for the delivery of several parcels of goods sent by his brother, Frederick Skinner, from Bantam. The Court found Frederick Skinner to hgave committed many misdemeanours in Bantam. However, it is unclear whether this is the same Albertus Skinner. An Albertus Skinner's marriage is recorded on August 26th, 1656, with an Ellinor Mussell in St James Clerkenwell. In 1664 an Albertus Skinner is recorded in a residence of five hearths in Newington, Surrey (A Court of Committees, February 3, 1654 (''Court Book'', vol. xxiii, p. 338), in [http://archive.org/stream/courtcalendar00eastrich#page/294/mode/2up Ethel Bruce Sainsbury (ed.), A Calendar of the Court Minutes of the East India Company, 1650-1654 (Oxford, 1913), p. 295]; [http://archive.org/stream/trueregisterofal03cler#page/96/mode/2up Robert Hovenden (ed.), A true register of all christeninges, mariages, and burialles in the parishe of St. James, Clarkenwell, from the yeare of Our Lorde God 1551, vol. 3, marriages, 1551 to 1754 (London, 1887), p. 96]; http://www.hearthtax.org.uk/communities/surrey/surrey_1664L_transcript.pdf, viewed 01/04/12)</ref> [His signature]
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| − | ==Notes==
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| − | ===Skinner Family of Dover===
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| − | "Examinations taken by him, concerning their having Contraband Goods on Board.
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| − | A Translation out of Dutch, of the Examinations of the Masters of the Vessels which Admiral Trumpe seized on, and sent by him to the Earl of Warwick.
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| − | The Relation of the Masters of the Ships which were convoyed over for Dunkirke, by Captain Blyth, in your Ship The Mary Rose.
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| − | This Master was taken by a French Shallop, which we did take afterwards, being shot with our Guns.:
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| − | William Cumbley, of Dover, Master in a small Holland Vessel, which came from Ireland from Youghall,and hath, as he faith, Fortyseven or Forty-nine Punchers of Tallow, wherein is Eighteen Thousand Pounds Weight, with Six Hundred and Twenty Hides, and about Twenty Barrels of Christopher's Salt loose, which belongs to one Mr. Daniell Skinner, of Dover; also Two Packs of White Irish Cloth; also, of the Master's own Merchandize, Sixty Firkins of Irish Butter, with Two Chests of Sugar, either weighing Fifty-six Pounds."<ref>[http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=34863#s30 'House of Lords Journal Volume 5: 1 August 1642', Journal of the House of Lords: volume 5: 1642-1643 (1767-1830), pp. 250-256], viewed 01/04/12</ref>
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| − | "Hatchments,
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| − | Are here, to the memory of Daniel Skinner, Merchant, who died Mar. 12, 1659, AEt. 80, and Elizabeth his wife, who died Aug. 7, 1679. AEt 90, Arms. r. a chevr. engrailed between 3 lions ra,pt. fab. on a chief indented 3 stags heads erased proper, impaling I. Gu. a chevron between 3 birds head O. II. Vert, a tree between two fowls, O. (foreign.)
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| − | There is also a tombstone with a long inscription to his memory."<ref>'Dover, Kent,' in Egerton Brydges, ''The topographer: containing a variety of original articles, illustrative of the local history and antiquities of England'', vol. 1 (XXXX, 1789), p. 125</ref>
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