Difference between revisions of "Simon Messenger"
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|Res country=England | |Res country=England | ||
|Birth year=1618 | |Birth year=1618 | ||
+ | |First deposition age=40 | ||
|Deposition start page(s)=HCA 13/72 f.463r Annotate, | |Deposition start page(s)=HCA 13/72 f.463r Annotate, | ||
|Deposition date(s)=Nov 8 1658 | |Deposition date(s)=Nov 8 1658 | ||
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|Has HCA evidence completed=No | |Has HCA evidence completed=No | ||
|Has source comment completed=No | |Has source comment completed=No | ||
− | |Type of ship= | + | |Type of ship=Shore based trade |
|Role in Silver Ship litigation=None | |Role in Silver Ship litigation=None | ||
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==Evidence from High Court of Admiralty== | ==Evidence from High Court of Admiralty== | ||
− | Forty year old Simon Messenger deposed on November 8th 1658 in the High Court of Admiralty. He was examined on an allegation on behalfe of Watson and Howe in the case of "Warren | + | '''November 1658''' |
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+ | Forty year old Simon Messenger deposed on November 8th 1658 in the High Court of Admiralty. He was examined on an allegation on behalfe of Watson and Howe in the case of "Warren against Watson and How".<ref>[[HCA 13/72 f.463r Annotate|HCA 13/72 f.463r]]</ref> | ||
The case concerned the size of Virginia tonnage of tobacco relative to other commodities and to other sources of tobacco. | The case concerned the size of Virginia tonnage of tobacco relative to other commodities and to other sources of tobacco. | ||
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+ | '''1658''' | ||
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+ | William Bassett, a forty year old grasier of Shadwell in the parish of Stepney, deposed on September 8th 1658 in the High Court of Admiralty. He was examined on a libel on behalf of William Thomas in the cause of "William Thomas against the shipp the ''John of Barkesheire'' and against Edmund Halley and his part thereof".<ref>[[HCA 13/72 f.416v Annotate|HCA 13/72 f.416v]]</ref> | ||
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+ | The case concerned a fishing voyage to Spitzbergen ("Greeneland") for whales involving two ships - the ''John of Barkeshire'' and the ''Sarah'' of London. A contract was drawn up to regulate the voyage and was made between the various owners of the two ships. William Bassett, Edmund Halley and William Thomas were part-owners of three quarters parts of the two ships and Simon Messenger, John Tarleton and Robert Browning were part-owners of the other quarter of the two ships.<ref>[[HCA 13/72 f.416v Annotate|HCA 13/72 f.416v]]</ref> The precise share that Simon Messenger owned of the two ships was one thirty-second.<ref>[[HCA 13/72 f.417r Annotate|HCA 13/72 f.417r]]</ref> | ||
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+ | '''Date unclear, but post 1657''' | ||
An allegation dated XXX and d | An allegation dated XXX and d | ||
− | The proctor of Thomas Middleton in his name and as executor of the last will and testament of Peeter Silvester deceased against Symon Messinger, Robert Hooker, George Younge, Samuell Hill, John Hawes, Thomas Thompson, William Thomson, Henry Reynols, John Grannt, Elizabeth Thompson | + | The proctor of Thomas Middleton in his name and as executor of the last will and testament of Peeter Silvester deceased against Symon Messinger, Robert Hooker, George Younge, Samuell Hill, John Hawes, Thomas Thompson, William Thomson, Henry Reynols, John Grannt, Elizabeth Thompson Relict and Executrix or adminstratrix of Henry Thompson deceased, Peeter ?Crompton and Edward Thompson". |
Allegation identifies the defendants as the part owners of the ship the ''Two Sisters'' betwen 1655 and 1657. The owners appointed Henry Thompson as master and commander ofthe same ship. A voyage was agreed to Jameca (i.e. Jamaica) and other ports and places beyond the saeas and then to Barbados and back to London. About 30 mariners were to go and serve on the ship. Phillipp Gorrell was appointed to goe as masters ?mate in the ship. The ship proceeded on its voyage, arriving first in New England and then in Barbados.<ref>HCA 24/111 Item 156: IMG_112_10_3875 & 3856</ref> | Allegation identifies the defendants as the part owners of the ship the ''Two Sisters'' betwen 1655 and 1657. The owners appointed Henry Thompson as master and commander ofthe same ship. A voyage was agreed to Jameca (i.e. Jamaica) and other ports and places beyond the saeas and then to Barbados and back to London. About 30 mariners were to go and serve on the ship. Phillipp Gorrell was appointed to goe as masters ?mate in the ship. The ship proceeded on its voyage, arriving first in New England and then in Barbados.<ref>HCA 24/111 Item 156: IMG_112_10_3875 & 3856</ref> | ||
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==Comment on sources== | ==Comment on sources== | ||
1666 Hearth Tax: The Hamlett of Shadwell in the Parish of Stepney./ Upper Shadwell Northside./ Cutthroate Lane | 1666 Hearth Tax: The Hamlett of Shadwell in the Parish of Stepney./ Upper Shadwell Northside./ Cutthroate Lane | ||
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...Simon Messenger 4 (hearths)..."<ref>'Hearth Tax: Middlesex 1666, Stepney , Shadwell Hamlet (1 of 2)', in London Hearth Tax: City of London and Middlesex, 1666 (2011), British History Online http://www.british-history.ac.uk/london-hearth-tax/london-mddx/1666/stepney-shadwell-hamlet-1, viewed 12/08/2016</ref> | ...Simon Messenger 4 (hearths)..."<ref>'Hearth Tax: Middlesex 1666, Stepney , Shadwell Hamlet (1 of 2)', in London Hearth Tax: City of London and Middlesex, 1666 (2011), British History Online http://www.british-history.ac.uk/london-hearth-tax/london-mddx/1666/stepney-shadwell-hamlet-1, viewed 12/08/2016</ref> |
Revision as of 01:25, November 5, 2016
Simon Messenger | |
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Person | Simon Messenger |
Title | |
First name | Simon |
Middle name(s) | |
Last name | Messenger |
Suffix | |
Spouse of | |
Widow of | |
Occupation | Cooper |
Secondary shorebased occupation | |
Mariner occupation | |
Associated with ship(s) | |
Training | Not apprentice |
Is apprentice of | |
Was apprentice of | |
Had apprentice(s) | |
Citizen | Unknown |
Literacy | Signature |
Has opening text | Simon Messinger |
Has signoff text | Simon Messenger |
Signoff image | (Invalid transcription image) |
Language skills | English language |
Has interpreter | |
Birth street | |
Birth parish | |
Birth town | |
Birth county | |
Birth province | |
Birth country | |
Res street | Shadwell |
Res parish | Stepney |
Res town | |
Res county | Middlesex |
Res province | |
Res country | England |
Birth year | 1618 |
Marriage year | |
Death year | |
Probate date | |
First deposition age | 40 |
Primary sources | |
Act book start page(s) | |
Personal answer start page(s) | |
Allegation start page(s) | |
Interrogatories page(s) | |
Deposition start page(s) | HCA 13/72 f.463r Annotate |
Chancery start page(s) | |
Letter start page(s) | |
Miscellaneous start page(s) | |
Act book date(s) | |
Personal answer date(s) | |
Allegation date(s) | |
Interrogatories date(s) | |
Deposition date(s) | Nov 8 1658 |
How complete is this biography? | |
Has infobox completed | Yes |
Has synthesis completed | No |
Has HCA evidence completed | No |
Has source comment completed | No |
Ship classification | |
Type of ship | Shore based trade |
Silver Ship litigation in 1650s | |
Role in Silver Ship litigation | None |
Biographical synthesis
Simon Messenger (alt. Symon, Messinger) (b. ca. 1618; d.?>1666). Cooper.
Resident in Shadwell in Middlesex in 1658. Still resident in Shadwell at the time of the 1666 Hearth Tax returns, when "Simon Messenger" was recorded living in Shadwell with a property of four hearths.[1]
Evidence from High Court of Admiralty
November 1658
Forty year old Simon Messenger deposed on November 8th 1658 in the High Court of Admiralty. He was examined on an allegation on behalfe of Watson and Howe in the case of "Warren against Watson and How".[2]
The case concerned the size of Virginia tonnage of tobacco relative to other commodities and to other sources of tobacco.
1658
William Bassett, a forty year old grasier of Shadwell in the parish of Stepney, deposed on September 8th 1658 in the High Court of Admiralty. He was examined on a libel on behalf of William Thomas in the cause of "William Thomas against the shipp the John of Barkesheire and against Edmund Halley and his part thereof".[3]
The case concerned a fishing voyage to Spitzbergen ("Greeneland") for whales involving two ships - the John of Barkeshire and the Sarah of London. A contract was drawn up to regulate the voyage and was made between the various owners of the two ships. William Bassett, Edmund Halley and William Thomas were part-owners of three quarters parts of the two ships and Simon Messenger, John Tarleton and Robert Browning were part-owners of the other quarter of the two ships.[4] The precise share that Simon Messenger owned of the two ships was one thirty-second.[5]
Date unclear, but post 1657
An allegation dated XXX and d
The proctor of Thomas Middleton in his name and as executor of the last will and testament of Peeter Silvester deceased against Symon Messinger, Robert Hooker, George Younge, Samuell Hill, John Hawes, Thomas Thompson, William Thomson, Henry Reynols, John Grannt, Elizabeth Thompson Relict and Executrix or adminstratrix of Henry Thompson deceased, Peeter ?Crompton and Edward Thompson".
Allegation identifies the defendants as the part owners of the ship the Two Sisters betwen 1655 and 1657. The owners appointed Henry Thompson as master and commander ofthe same ship. A voyage was agreed to Jameca (i.e. Jamaica) and other ports and places beyond the saeas and then to Barbados and back to London. About 30 mariners were to go and serve on the ship. Phillipp Gorrell was appointed to goe as masters ?mate in the ship. The ship proceeded on its voyage, arriving first in New England and then in Barbados.[6]
Comment on sources
1666 Hearth Tax: The Hamlett of Shadwell in the Parish of Stepney./ Upper Shadwell Northside./ Cutthroate Lane
...Simon Messenger 4 (hearths)..."[7]- ↑ 'Hearth Tax: Middlesex 1666, Stepney , Shadwell Hamlet (1 of 2)', in London Hearth Tax: City of London and Middlesex, 1666 (2011), British History Online http://www.british-history.ac.uk/london-hearth-tax/london-mddx/1666/stepney-shadwell-hamlet-1, viewed 12/08/2016
- ↑ HCA 13/72 f.463r
- ↑ HCA 13/72 f.416v
- ↑ HCA 13/72 f.416v
- ↑ HCA 13/72 f.417r
- ↑ HCA 24/111 Item 156: IMG_112_10_3875 & 3856
- ↑ 'Hearth Tax: Middlesex 1666, Stepney , Shadwell Hamlet (1 of 2)', in London Hearth Tax: City of London and Middlesex, 1666 (2011), British History Online http://www.british-history.ac.uk/london-hearth-tax/london-mddx/1666/stepney-shadwell-hamlet-1, viewed 12/08/2016